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Subject It's almost over: Ye Lin
Posted by bibrydo
Posted on 12/5/99 05:29 PM
Our featured analyst, Ye Lin, is ready to count the world out. Her latest
message says (after Red's 29th move): "The game can be considered almost
finished. Black cannot defend the central pawn, and his king will be in a
mortal situation within a few moves."
Lin's analysis is now on a separate page: check it out. When complete, her
commentary will cover the entire game.
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Subject Re: It's almost over: Ye Lin
Posted by Student
Posted on 12/8/99 11:41 PM
In move 33. H++6
To the best of my knowledge, that move isn't legal.
Is that legal now??? And when did that move become legal??
thank you very much for answering my question
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Subject Re: It's almost over: Ye Lin
Posted by bibrydo
Posted on 12/9/99 02:07 AM
You're absolutely right. Our sincere apologies. The error was technical in nature.
The correct move is H-+6, or H3d5.
Bill Brydon
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Subject Re: It's almost over: Ye Lin
Posted by momo
Posted on 12/9/99 06:50 AM
The error has been fixed, but I don't know exactly what you mean by not
legal - do you mean not sensible?
Any prediction about how Lu will finish the world off?
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Subject Re: It's almost over: Ye Lin
Posted by Anonymous
Posted on 12/10/99 03:18 PM
P7+1, K5+1
H6+5, E3+5
H5-3, lost Rook - another piece to end the game
P7+1, C1+1 or C1+5 or E9-7
P7=8, over
That's how the game will be ended in Lu's favor.
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Subject Re: It's almost over: Ye Lin
Posted by Anonymous
Posted on 12/10/99 03:20 PM
I meant P7=6, not P7=8 %^)
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Subject the Brainboard
Posted by wm
Posted on 12/9/99 06:24 PM
Great Site! :)
Please feel free to come to 'the Brainboard' at :
http://clever.as/brainboard
This board is unmoderated and has been used in the past to discuss all sorts of topics from HIQ societies, to philosophy.
wm
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Subject World can't hold: Peter Sung
Posted by bibrydo
Posted on 12/4/99 05:24 AM
Toronto master, Peter Sung, who commented on the game at an earlier point,
now expects the world to lose. "The world is in trouble. It's very hard to
respond to Red's strategy", he told me on the evening of December 2. He thinks
that 27... Ca9 might have been a better choice than the world's 27... Rh5, with
the idea of Cc9 threatening the rook. However Red would still have a large
advantage.
He says that the horse on C8 is the key to Black's defence, and once it
moves, or is captured, Black's centre will be "wide open". "I don't see any
good solution".
Peter was critical of the world's strategy early in the game. He did not
know the variation analyzed for the Mindzine by Ye Lin. Toronto's other strong
players have praised Lin's knowledge, but supported Peter's positional judgement.
However, now Peter has praise for the world's effort. He says that the game
is very good, and that the world has handled the counter-attack very well,
playing better than he expected: "At one point, Black had a chance, but Qin Lu
has played too well".
Bill Brydon
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Subject Analysis of critical position
Posted by momo
Posted on 11/30/99 07:54 PM
This analytical discussion is just in:
>From Bill Brydon and Jouni Tolonen:
BB:
As far as I can tell, Lu's 24. Rh6 puts Black in trouble. The cannon on h1
has nowhere to go. For example, 24... Ch2? 25. Ca2 wins a piece.
So Black has to sacrifice with 24... Hxe3 25. Cxe3 Rxg1. The combination of
the chariot and cannon are potentially deadly to Red, but a key point is
that the rook on h6 controls the black cannon. If the black rook moves back
discovering check, Red simply takes the cannon.
So Red plays 26. Cf3, guarding against Rgxf1 checkmate, and remains a piece
up. Despite having lost two elephants, he has a strong defence, and a better
position. If Black tries 26...Ci1 (probably inferior), Red plays 27. Ci5,
and if 27... Rg6+ 28. Rh1. I can't see how Black can avoid this. As far as I
can tell, he has to find a better 26th move, and pray.
JT:
Is 26...Cxf1 27.Axf1 Rxf3 enough for black? Probably not, but it's almost
a checkmate.
BB:
You're absolutely right. I came back online because I found this.
But I can't see an alternative to 25. Cxe3. After 25... Rxg1, can Red play
26. Rxh1 Rxh1 27. Hxe7?
JT:
This line seems very promising for Red. He has possibilities to tactical
blows, using control of the central file and the weakened Black back-rank
defense (remember Ei8?). Black's attack has vanished.
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Subject Re: Analysis of critical position
Posted by Anonymous
Posted on 12/2/99 07:03 PM
The world is in trouble, if not declaring "Game Over"
Either R7=8 or R7-4, Lu's counter attack will be H6+5
or R2+6, respectively. R7=8 response from the world
will lead to a quick lost rather than R7-4. Even try
to go for a "draw" is not possible at this point.
Drawmaster
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Subject World in Trouble: Ban Lo
Posted by bibrydo
Posted on 11/22/99 04:08 AM
Toronto master, Ban Lo, doesn't like the world's position at all.
He's familiar with Qin Lu's 11. Hge2, but not with the world's 12. ... Cxg4:
"Why does he take this? That's not good."
Analyzing the position after 16. Hd5, he concluded that Red is better. "Red
will have the option of Cf3 -- that's a good move. And Red can cross the river
with the horse and the pawn."
Lo, who contributed analysis to the Mindzine's coverage of the first Lu/world
game, won multiple variations against his students Kim Pham and Bill Brydon.
He concluded: "I think maybe Black will lose".
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Subject Re: World in Trouble: Ban Lo
Posted by momo
Posted on 11/26/99 10:06 AM
Easy for him to say. To the uninitiated, the game looks like a brawl, and
the punches are flying too fast to follow. Can someone explain what's happening
in monosyllables, and draw maps?
Thanks!
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Subject Did the first match reach a draw too quickly?
Posted by msoadmin
Posted on 11/4/99 11:15 PM
If a draw hadn't been agreed so early, how would the game have continued?
Which side had better winning chances?
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Subject Re: Did the first match reach a draw too quickly?
Posted by bibrydo
Posted on 11/18/99 09:52 PM
It was a dead draw. In XQ, there is no pawn promotion, so if both sides keep
all their defenders, and the attacking forces are depleted, there's sometimes
nothing to play for.
The question is, how did Lu get stuck in a line where he couldn't find a
practical way to try and win. Either the world played like a GM, or Lu played
like the world is a GM.
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Subject opening Lu 2
Posted by Anonymous
Posted on 11/17/99 07:49 AM
Can anyone tell me something about the theory of this opening? Is it still "theory"?
Is it a risky opening? What are the basic ideas?
Thanks!
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Subject Qin Lu's aggressive play
Posted by msoadmin
Posted on 11/4/99 11:18 PM
Qin Lu, playing red in the rematch against the world, has promised to play
for a win in an attempt to avoid a second draw. How is this second game likely
to go and how can the rest of the world strike back?
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Subject Welcome to the new MSO Message Boards!
Posted by msoadmin
Posted on 11/4/99 09:01 PM
Welcome to the new MSO Message Boards! This message board is for discussion
of the Xiangqi (Chinese Chess) matches between Qin Lu and the rest of the world.
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